Howland (Y-DNA) - Revision history

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‎DNA Results A9708

Wing genealogist: /* Speculative OriginsThe parent clade of R-A9708 is R-A9703. A9703 is currently comprised of ten SNPs. One individual with a Baker surname has Big Y-700 tested A9703+ but A9708-. He lists his Most Distant Known Patrilineal Ancestor (MDKPA) as Frederic...

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/* Speculative OriginsThe parent clade of R-A9708 is R-A9703. A9703 is currently comprised of ten SNPs. One individual with a Baker surname has Big Y-700 tested A9703+ but A9708-. He lists his Most Distant Known Patrilineal Ancestor (MDKPA) as Frederic...

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‎Third Generation

Wing genealogist: /* Previous Y-DNA testing */

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‎Previous Y-DNA testing

Wing genealogist: /* DNA Results A9708 */

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‎DNA Results A9708

Wing genealogist at 18:32, 7 October 2024

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‎Status summary

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‎Third Generation

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	The two descendants of Pilgrim John Howland do not share any SNPs in common with each other, but the do have a STR mutation (within the additional 600+ STRs tested by the Big Y-700) which is not shared by descendants of Arthur or Henry. FTY1094=17 is found in descendants of Pilgrim John while the descendants of Arthur and Henry both have FTY1094=16. Ideally, we would like to have more Pilgrim John Howland descendants take the Big Y-700 test to confirm whether or not this mutation is found in all Pilgrim John Howland descendants (or to pinpoint when this STR mutation occurred).		The two descendants of Pilgrim John Howland do not share any SNPs in common with each other, but the do have a STR mutation (within the additional 600+ STRs tested by the Big Y-700) which is not shared by descendants of Arthur or Henry. FTY1094=17 is found in descendants of Pilgrim John while the descendants of Arthur and Henry both have FTY1094=16. Ideally, we would like to have more Pilgrim John Howland descendants take the Big Y-700 test to confirm whether or not this mutation is found in all Pilgrim John Howland descendants (or to pinpoint when this STR mutation occurred).
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	===Availability of Y-DNA SNP testing===		===Availability of Y-DNA SNP testing===

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	The two descendants of Pilgrim John Howland do not share any SNPs in common with each other, but the do have a STR mutation (within the additional 600+ STRs tested by the Big Y-700) which is not shared by descendants of Arthur or Henry. FTY1094=17 is found in descendants of Pilgrim John while the descendants of Arthur and Henry both have FTY1094=16. Ideally, we would like to have more Pilgrim John Howland descendants take the Big Y-700 test to confirm whether or not this mutation is found in all Pilgrim John Howland descendants (or to pinpoint when this STR mutation occurred).		The two descendants of Pilgrim John Howland do not share any SNPs in common with each other, but the do have a STR mutation (within the additional 600+ STRs tested by the Big Y-700) which is not shared by descendants of Arthur or Henry. FTY1094=17 is found in descendants of Pilgrim John while the descendants of Arthur and Henry both have FTY1094=16. Ideally, we would like to have more Pilgrim John Howland descendants take the Big Y-700 test to confirm whether or not this mutation is found in all Pilgrim John Howland descendants (or to pinpoint when this STR mutation occurred).
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		+	===Availability of Y-DNA SNP testing===
		+	Family Tree DNA (www.familytreedna.com) currently does not offer individual Y-SNP testing and the only test they have to discover your Y-SNPs is the Big Y-700 test (regular price US $449, but they do have sales on this test from time to time). However, YSEQ does have [https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=23383&osCsid=ff8e8a0b0438d0092cce73f75797197d A9708] for purchase (US $3.00 for the DNA sample kit and US $19.00 for the Y-SNP test).

	===Usefulness of ''Big Y'' and ''Y-Elite tests''===		===Usefulness of ''Big Y'' and ''Y-Elite tests''===

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 Johnson reported he found no evidence of the Howland family in Fen Stanton prior to the time of Henry Howland (father of Pilgrim John). We know Henry was living there as early as 1604, when his son, Simon, was baptized (from the Bishop's Transcript records). Unfortunately both the Parish records, and the Bishop's Transcripts are mostly missing from this time period, so we cannot state when Henry moved to Fen Stanton, nor know whether any of the other children were born there or elsewhere.
-Johnson did find Howland families in nearby Cambridgeshire. He was able to conclusively prove the Henry Howland of Ely, Cambridgeshire (who had a son John bp in 1602/3) was '''not''' the Henry Howland of Fen Stanton, but instead, likely a cousin to some degree.
+<!-- Johnson did find Howland families in nearby Cambridgeshire. He was able to conclusively prove the Henry Howland of Ely, Cambridgeshire (who had a son John bp in 1602/3) was '''not''' the Henry Howland of Fen Stanton, but instead, likely a cousin to some degree.
 Johnson did note there was a Howland family at Horningsea, Cambridgeshire in the early part of the 16th Century to the early part of the 17th Century. This family had a history of naming sons Henry & John, so it is possible this is the area where Henry (father of John) originally was from.
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-In addition, DNA testing has shown the Howland Y-DNA to be a subclade of the A96 clade. This clade has, to date, been found in the following families:  Maybury, Baldwin, Rogers, Bishop, Foat, Wing & Howland.  Of these families Some (Foat & Bishop) have a tradition of having an origin from what are now the Low Countries of Belgium, Luxemburg & The Netherlands.  Essex, England (supposedly the ancestral origin of the Howland surname) was settled by the Saxons during the Germanic invasion of the 5th Century, and the Wing family is thought to arise from Wing, Buckinghamshire, located in part of Alfred the Great's Wessex Kingdom (which was also of Saxon origin). Recently a Rogers has tested positive for A9701 which was previously only found in the Howland Family. He tested negative for all of the other Howland SNPs (A9702-A9709). This individual was able to trace his paternal line to Cornwall, England, with a family tradition of them being of Norman origin.
+In addition, DNA testing has shown the Howland Y-DNA to be a subclade of the A96 clade. This clade has, to date, been found in the following families:  Maybury, Baldwin, Rogers, Bishop, Foat, Wing & Howland.  Of these families Some (Foat & Bishop) have a tradition of having an origin from what are now the Low Countries of Belgium, Luxemburg & The Netherlands.  Essex, England (supposedly the ancestral origin of the Howland surname) was settled by the Saxons during the Germanic invasion of the 5th Century, and the Wing family is thought to arise from Wing, Buckinghamshire, located in part of Alfred the Great's Wessex Kingdom (which was also of Saxon origin). Recently a Rogers has tested positive for A9701 which was previously only found in the Howland Family. He tested negative for all of the other Howland SNPs (A9702-A9709). This individual was able to trace his paternal line to Cornwall, England, with a family tradition of them being of Norman origin. -->
 ===Biography===

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	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-78 '''Shobal (Shubael) Howland'''] was born Barnstable 30 Sep 1672 and died there 17 Jun 1737. He married Barnstable 13 Dec 1700 [[Mercy Blossom (mtDNA)#First Generation \|Mercy Blossom]] and they had three children (Barnstable): [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-1732 '''Jabez'''] (1701 m Elizabeth Percival), Mercy (1710) and Zaccheus (c1713 unm.)		[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-78 '''Shobal (Shubael) Howland'''] was born Barnstable 30 Sep 1672 and died there 17 Jun 1737. He married Barnstable 13 Dec 1700 [[Mercy Blossom (mtDNA)#First Generation \|Mercy Blossom]] and they had three children (Barnstable): [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-1732 '''Jabez'''] (1701 m Elizabeth Percival), Mercy (1710) and Zaccheus (c1713 unm.)

−	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-32 '''John Howland (III)'''] was born Barnstable 31 Dec 1674 and died (West) Barnstable 14 Feb 1737/8. He married twice, first abt 1706 [[Joanna Shove (mtDNA)#First Generation \|Joanna Shove]] and second Barnstable 18 Jul 1719 Mary Crocker. By his first wife John had four children (Barnstable): [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-469 George Gill] (1705 m Abigail Crocker), Hannah (1708), Mary (1711) and Joanna (1715). By his second wife, John had two more children (Barnstable): [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-244 '''(Rev.) John'''] (1720/1 m Elizabeth Lewis) and [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-245 '''Job'''] (1726 m Hannah Jenkins).	+	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-32 '''John Howland (III)'''] was born Barnstable 31 Dec 1674 and died (West) Barnstable 14 Feb 1737/8. He married twice, first abt 1706 [[Joanna Shove (mtDNA)#First Generation \|Joanna Shove]] and second Barnstable 18 Jul 1719 [[Crocker (Y-DNA)#Second Generation \|Mary Crocker]]. By his first wife John had four children (Barnstable): [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-469 George Gill] (1705 m Abigail Crocker), Hannah (1708), Mary (1711) and Joanna (1715). By his second wife, John had two more children (Barnstable): [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-244 '''(Rev.) John'''] (1720/1 m Elizabeth Lewis) and [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-245 '''Job'''] (1726 m Hannah Jenkins).

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 ==DNA Results '''A9708'''==
 ===Previous Y-DNA testing===
-Several patrilineal descendants of Pilgrim John Howland have had their Y-DNA tested at Family Tree DNA. In addition, four patrilineal descendants of John's brother, Arthur, and several patrilineal descendants of his brother, Henry, have also been tested. See the [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Howland/default.aspx Howland Surname Y-DNA Project]
+Several patrilineal descendants of Pilgrim John Howland have had their Y-DNA tested at Family Tree DNA. In addition, four patrilineal descendants of John's brother, Arthur, and several patrilineal descendants of his brother, Henry, have also been tested. See the [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Howland?iframe=ydna-results-overview Howland Surname Y-DNA Project]
 Utilizing STR results to determine whether a male Howland descends from Pilgrim John Howland, or one of his brothers is quite risky. STRs are prone to mutate much quicker than SNP results, and they are also prone to back mutations (which hides the mutation) and parallel mutations (where the same mutation happens in two separate lines). Given these risks, and predictions based on STR mutations really need to be confirmed with either traditional "paper-trail" research, or SNP testing to prove the relationship.

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 ===NGS/WGS DNA testing===
-Currently, there are eight Y-DNA Howland descendants who have taken the Big Y-700 test. Two are Y-DNA descendants of Pilgrim John Howland, three are descendants of Henry and three are descendants of Arthur. They all fall under [https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/u106/about Haplogroup R1b-U106] where they have been classified as: Z9>Z30>Z2>Z7>Z8>Z1>Z344>Z6>A96>S10415>A9703/A9708 This last clade is comprised of a single SNP (which is available for testing at YSEQ.org).
+Currently, there are eight Y-DNA Howland descendants who have taken the Big Y-700 test. Two are Y-DNA descendants of Pilgrim John Howland, three are descendants of Henry and three are descendants of Arthur. They all fall under [https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/u106/about Haplogroup R1b-U106] where they have been classified as: Z9>Z30>Z2>Z7>Z8>Z1>Z344>Z6>A96>S10415>A9703>A9708 This last clade is comprised of a single SNP (which is available for testing at YSEQ.org).
 The three Henry Howland descendants (from two different sons, Zoeth and Samuel) have tested positive for FGC58211 and FGC58203 while the descendants of Pilgrim John and Arthur have tested negative for these SNPs. The three Arthur Howland descendants have all tested positive for FT62784 while the descendants of Pilgrim John and Henry have tested negative for this SNP.
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 The real importance in doing the Big Y or Y-Elite test is the ability to compare your results with others. This works at all different levels.
-We currently have a number of Big Y (and similar test) results across the Howland family. This has allowed us to determine where the A9703 clade belongs the Howland family, descendants of Henry Howland (c1565-1635) of Fen Stanton, England. As more Howlands take this type of test we will be able to determine subclades defining his descendants, eventually separating the families of his three sons (John, Henry & Arthur) and later defining more recent branches.
+We currently have a number of Big Y (and similar test) results across the Howland family. This has allowed us to determine where the A9708 clade belongs the Howland family, descendants of Henry Howland (c1565-1635) of Fen Stanton, England. As more Howlands take this type of test we will be able to determine subclades defining his descendants, eventually separating the families of his three sons (John, Henry & Arthur) and later defining more recent branches.
 It also works in the opposite level, in discovering related surnames. Originally, the Wing family was the closest non-surname match to the Howlands. However, recently another Big Y tester came in and was found to be positive for a SNP not found in the Wing family but found within the Howland family (A9701). This other tester descends from a Rogers family (NOT related to Thomas and Joseph Rogers of the Mayflower). Going further back in time, Big Y results shows where the Howland/Rogers family shares a clade (S10415) with the following families: Wing, Maybury, Baldwin, Rogers, Bishop, and Foat. More families are found at each clade level above S10415 which shows the degree of relationship similar to first, second, third etc. cousins.
 Another related item is the ability to estimate the age of each of these clades. We know the age of the Howland family in America starts with the birth of their father, Henry Howland ca 1565. The Howlands all share at least eleven SNPs not found in the next closest family (Rogers). While the mutations are random events, so we cannot state precisely how much time elapses between one mutation and another, we can say a mutation happens '''on average''' a little over every 80 years. Thus, the Rogers family is roughly 80*11=880 or so years before ca 1565 (or roughly 650 AD). The other surnames at the S10415 level are one SNP above the Howland/Rogers clade (A9701), so dates roughly to 575 AD or so.

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 * Recruiting additional Howlands for further SNP testing. Any male who believes they are a patrilineal (all male line) descendant of John Howland should  [[Read me First|Read me First]]
-===Still to do as of November 13, 2016===
+===Completed as of October 7, 2024===
 * Identify where in the line of Pilgrim John Howland the A9705 SNP is found by testing select folks.
 * Next Generation Sequence (NGS) test other lines of Pilgrim John Howland to find other SNPs unique to descendants of Pilgrim John.

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 ===NGS/WGS DNA testing===
-Currently, there are seven Y-DNA Howland descendants who have taken the Big Y-700 test. Two are Y-DNA descendants of Pilgrim John Howland, two are descendants of Henry and three are descendants of Arthur. They all fall under [https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/u106/about Haplogroup R1b-U106] where they have been classified as: Z9>Z30>Z2>Z7>Z8>Z1>Z344>Z6>A96>S10415>A9703/A9708 This last clade is comprised of a single SNP (which is available for testing at YSEQ.org).
+Currently, there are eight Y-DNA Howland descendants who have taken the Big Y-700 test. Two are Y-DNA descendants of Pilgrim John Howland, three are descendants of Henry and three are descendants of Arthur. They all fall under [https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/u106/about Haplogroup R1b-U106] where they have been classified as: Z9>Z30>Z2>Z7>Z8>Z1>Z344>Z6>A96>S10415>A9703/A9708 This last clade is comprised of a single SNP (which is available for testing at YSEQ.org).
-The two Henry Howland descendants have tested positive for FGC58211 while the descendants of Pilgrim John and Arthur have tested negative for this SNP. However, both of the Henry Howland descendants are from the same son (Zoeth), so at least one descendant of Samuel (son of Henry) should undertake NGS/WGS testing to determine whether this SNP falls under all Henry Howland descendants, or only descendants of his son Zoeth.
+The three Henry Howland descendants (from two different sons, Zoeth and Samuel) have tested positive for FGC58211 and FGC58203 while the descendants of Pilgrim John and Arthur have tested negative for these SNPs. The three Arthur Howland descendants have all tested positive for FT62784 while the descendants of Pilgrim John and Henry have tested negative for this SNP.
-The three Arthur Howland descendants have all tested positive for FT62784 while the descendants of Pilgrim John and Henry have tested negative for this SNP.
+The two descendants of Pilgrim John Howland do not share any SNPs in common with each other, but the do have a STR mutation (within the additional 600+ STRs tested by the Big Y-700) which is not shared by descendants of Arthur or Henry. FTY1094=17 is found in descendants of Pilgrim John while the descendants of Arthur and Henry both have FTY1094=16. Ideally, we would like to have more Pilgrim John Howland descendants take the Big Y-700 test to confirm whether or not this mutation is found in all Pilgrim John Howland descendants (or to pinpoint when this STR mutation occurred).
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-The two descendants of Pilgrim John Howland do not share any SNPs in common with each other, but the do have a STR mutation (within the additional 600+ STRs tested by the Big Y-700) which is not shared by descendants of Arthur or Henry. FTY1094=17 is found in descendants of Pilgrim John while the descendants of Arthur and Henry both have FTY1094=16. Ideally, we would like to have more Pilgrim John Howland descendants take the Big Y-700 test to confirm whether or not this mutation is likely found in all Pilgrim John Howland descendants.
 ===Usefulness of ''Big Y'' and ''Y-Elite tests''===

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−	[~~hhttps~~://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-253 Isaac Howland (II)] was born Middleborough 6 Mar 1678/9 and died there 26 Feb 1723/4. He married Middleborough abt 1713 Sarah Thomas and they had four children: [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-261 Isaac] (1714 unm.), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-262 Jeremiah] (1715 m Betty Vaughn), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-849 Joseph] (1717 m Elizabeth Mitchell) and [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-263 Charles] (1722-1723).	+	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-253 Isaac Howland (II)] was born Middleborough 6 Mar 1678/9 and died there 26 Feb 1723/4. He married Middleborough abt 1713 Sarah Thomas and they had four children: [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-261 Isaac] (1714 unm.), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-262 Jeremiah] (1715 m Betty Vaughn), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-849 Joseph] (1717 m Elizabeth Mitchell) and [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-263 Charles] (1722-1723).

	[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-255 Nathan Howland] was born Middleborough 17 Jan 1686/7 and died Middleborough bet.Mar 1733/4 - Jul 1759.<ref>Nathan sold land (rec. 29 Mar 1734) - widow sued David Miller. 15 May 736 Seth Howland sold the homestead of his grandfather Isaac (called deceased) which was originally sold to Seth's father, Nathan (NOT called deceased).</ref> He married Middleborough bef 1712 [[Barker (mtDNA)#Third Generation \|Frances Coombs]] and they had six children: Desire (1712-1716/7), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-2353 Seth] (1714/5 m Lydia Cobb), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-4280s Caleb] (1717 no further record), Priscilla (1719/20), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-4281 George] (1723 no further record) and Ruth (1727).		[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-255 Nathan Howland] was born Middleborough 17 Jan 1686/7 and died Middleborough bet.Mar 1733/4 - Jul 1759.<ref>Nathan sold land (rec. 29 Mar 1734) - widow sued David Miller. 15 May 736 Seth Howland sold the homestead of his grandfather Isaac (called deceased) which was originally sold to Seth's father, Nathan (NOT called deceased).</ref> He married Middleborough bef 1712 [[Barker (mtDNA)#Third Generation \|Frances Coombs]] and they had six children: Desire (1712-1716/7), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-2353 Seth] (1714/5 m Lydia Cobb), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-4280s Caleb] (1717 no further record), Priscilla (1719/20), [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Howland-4281 George] (1723 no further record) and Ruth (1727).