Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Bourne (mtDNA) - Revision history

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 ===Fourth Generation===
-Lydia Miller was born Yarmouth 18 May 1661 and died Kingston 1 Mar 1728. She married Plymouth 29 Dec 1681 [[Cooke (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Jacob Cooke (II)]] and they had eight children: William (1683), Lydia (1685 m John Faunce), Rebecca (1688 m [[Samson (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Benjamin Samson]]), Jacob (1691), Margaret (1695 m Simon Lassell [Lazzell]), Josiah (1699), Damaris (1703 m John Delano) and John (1703).
+Lydia Miller was born Yarmouth 18 May 1661 and died Kingston 1 Mar 1728. She married Plymouth 29 Dec 1681 [[Cooke (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Jacob Cooke (II)]] and they had eight children: William (1683), Lydia (1685 m [[Faunce (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |John Faunce]]), Rebecca (1688 m [[Samson (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Benjamin Samson]]), Jacob (1691), Margaret (1695 m Simon Lassell [Lazzell]), Josiah (1699), Damaris (1703 m John Delano) and John (1703).
 Rebecca Miller was born Yarmouth 7 Nov 1663 and died Plymouth 4 Apr 1688. She married Yarmouth 15 Feb 1681 Thomas Clark and they had two children: Susanna (1683) and Thomas (1685).

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-Lydia Miller was born Yarmouth 18 May 1661 and died Kingston 1 Mar 1728. She married Plymouth 29 Dec 1681 [[Cooke (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Jacob Cooke (II)]] and they had eight children: William (1683), Lydia (1685 m John Faunce), Rebecca (1688 m Benjamin Sampson), Jacob (1691), Margaret (1695 m Simon Lassell [Lazzell]), Josiah (1699), Damaris (1703 m John Delano) and John (1703).
+Lydia Miller was born Yarmouth 18 May 1661 and died Kingston 1 Mar 1728. She married Plymouth 29 Dec 1681 [[Cooke (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Jacob Cooke (II)]] and they had eight children: William (1683), Lydia (1685 m John Faunce), Rebecca (1688 m [[Samson (Y-DNA)#Third Generation |Benjamin Samson]]), Jacob (1691), Margaret (1695 m Simon Lassell [Lazzell]), Josiah (1699), Damaris (1703 m John Delano) and John (1703).
 Rebecca Miller was born Yarmouth 7 Nov 1663 and died Plymouth 4 Apr 1688. She married Yarmouth 15 Feb 1681 Thomas Clark and they had two children: Susanna (1683) and Thomas (1685).

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 ==DNA results  '''H9a'''==
 ===Previous mtDNA testing===
-Two matrilineal descendants (a mother and her daughter) report at [https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sands-Family-Tree-1033 WikiTree] where they are matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth and state they fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. They also reported where the only "extra" mtDNA mutations they have beyond the H9a haplogroup are four common insertions in the Hyper Variable Region (which are not used to define clades). As such, mtDNA results '''cannot''' be used to identify matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth, but all such matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth must fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. Anyone who believes they descend in a direct female line (ie mother's mother's mother's etc mother) is encouraged to contact MayflowerDNA1620@gmail.com
+Two matrilineal descendants (a mother and her daughter) report at [https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sands-Family-Tree-1033 WikiTree] where they are matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth and state they fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. They also reported where the only "extra" mtDNA mutations they have beyond the H9a haplogroup are four common insertions in the Hyper Variable Region (which are not used to define clades). Accord to [formed 10700 ybp, TMRCA 4000 ybp YTree.com H MTree] H9a formed 10700 years before present (ybp), TMRCA 4000 ybp. As such, mtDNA results '''cannot''' be used to identify matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth, but all such matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth must fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. Anyone who believes they descend in a direct female line (ie mother's mother's mother's etc mother) is encouraged to contact MayflowerDNA1620@gmail.com
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 ==DNA results  '''H9a'''==
 ===Previous mtDNA testing===
-Two matrilineal descendants (a mother and her daughter) report at [https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sands-Family-Tree-1033 WikiTree] where they are matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth and state they fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. Anyone who believes they descend in a direct female line (ie mother's mother's mother's etc mother) is encouraged to contact MayflowerDNA1620@gmail.com
+Two matrilineal descendants (a mother and her daughter) report at [https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sands-Family-Tree-1033 WikiTree] where they are matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth and state they fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. They also reported where the only "extra" mtDNA mutations they have beyond the H9a haplogroup are four common insertions in the Hyper Variable Region (which are not used to define clades). As such, mtDNA results '''cannot''' be used to identify matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth, but all such matrilineal descendants of Elizabeth must fall under the H9a mtDNA haplogroup. Anyone who believes they descend in a direct female line (ie mother's mother's mother's etc mother) is encouraged to contact MayflowerDNA1620@gmail.com
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 See [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Burne-69 WikiTree profile for Thomas Burne] for ''possible'' identity of Thomas Bourne and his wife Elizabeth.
 ===First Generation===
-As is all too common regarding female ancestors, not much is known about Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Bourne.<ref>The only contemporary record for Elizabeth is the Marshfield record of her death. As such, it is possible she may not have been Thomas' only wife, and may not be the mother of his children (or at least some of them).</ref> We do not know the names of her parents, her maiden name<ref>It is ''possible'' she may have been the Elizabeth Fisher who [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJHW-HJS married] St Alkmund, Derby, Derbyshire 21 Dec 1607 to Thomas Burne.</ref> or when/where she was born (although we can make educated guesses about her origins). She was presumably born in England and likely say 1590 (estimate based on the estimated births of her children). Elizabeth died Marshfield 18 Jul 1660.<ref>The only known record for her.</ref> She and Thomas Bourne were married about 1607 presumably in England (based on the estimated birth dates of their children).<ref>See [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bourne-2 WikiTree profile for Thomas Bourne] for a '''possible''' identification of Thomas and his wife, based on the names of their children.</ref> The first known record of the family is a land grant at Plymouth in Jan 1637. Therefor, it appears at least some of the family arrived by 1636.
+As is all too common regarding female ancestors, not much is known about Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Bourne.<ref>The only contemporary record for Elizabeth is the Marshfield record of her death. As such, it is possible she may not have been Thomas' only wife, and may not be the mother of his children (or at least some of them).</ref> We do not know the names of her parents, her maiden name<ref>It is ''possible'' she may have been the Elizabeth Fisher who [https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJHW-HJS married] St Alkmund, Derby, Derbyshire 21 Dec 1607 to Thomas Burne.</ref> or when/where she was born (although we can make educated guesses about her origins). She was presumably born in England and likely say 1590 (estimate based on the estimated births of her children). Elizabeth was buried at Marshfield on 18 Jul 1660.<ref>The only known record for her.</ref> She and Thomas Bourne were married about 1607 presumably in England (based on the estimated birth dates of their children).<ref>See [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bourne-2 WikiTree profile for Thomas Bourne] for a '''possible''' identification of Thomas and his wife, based on the names of their children.</ref> The first known record of the family is a land grant at Plymouth in Jan 1637. Therefor, it appears at least some of the family arrived by 1636.
 Thomas and Elizabeth had ''at least'' five children (all later found in Plymouth Colony): Margaret (c1608), Elizabeth (c1617), Ann(/Sarah) (c1619), John (c1621), and Martha.

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 Margaret Bourne is said to have been born about 1608<ref>She was called aged 75 (which may simply have been an estimate) at the time of her death in 1683.</ref> She died Marshfield 28 Sep 1683 and was then called aged 75. Margaret married [[Winslow (Y-DNA)#The five brothers |Josiah Winslow]] presumably in Plymouth about 1637<ref>First child born 8 Aug 1638.</ref> and they had six children (Marshfield): Jonathan (1638), Margaret (1640), Rebecca (1643), Hannah (1644), Mary (c1646) and Martha (c1648).
-Elizabeth Bourne was born about 1615<ref>Estimate, based on first married in 1638.</ref> and died Marshfield 12 Dec 1663. She was married twice, first Plymouth 11 Dec 1638 [[Waterman (Y-DNA)#First Generation |Robert Waterman]] and second Marshfield about 1653 Thomas Tilden. By her first husband, Elizabeth had four children (Marshfield): John (1642), Thomas (1644), Joseph (c1647) and Robert (c1652). By her second husband, Elizabeth had three more children (Marshfield): infant son (1654-1654), infant son (1655-1655) and Lydia (1658).
+Elizabeth Bourne was born about 1615<ref>Estimate, based on first married in 1638. She may have been the Elizabeth "Burne", daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Fisher) Burne [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKGW-YM7 baptized] 29 Oct 1620 St. Alkmund's Derby.</ref> and died Marshfield 12 Dec 1663. She was married twice, first Plymouth 11 Dec 1638 [[Waterman (Y-DNA)#First Generation |Robert Waterman]] and second Marshfield about 1653 Thomas Tilden. By her first husband, Elizabeth had four children (Marshfield): John (1642), Thomas (1644), Joseph (c1647) and Robert (c1652). By her second husband, Elizabeth had three more children (Marshfield): infant son (1654-1654), infant son (1655-1655) and Lydia (1658).
-Ann Bourne<ref>See [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bourne-387 Wikitree Profile for Ann Bourne] for speculation about her name being "Sarah Ann".</ref> was born circa 1617<ref>Estimate based on married 1639/40, two years after her sister, Elizabeth.</ref> and died likely at Norwich, CT aft 12 Jan 1684. She married Plymouth 21 Jan 1639/40 Nehemiah Smith The family later moved to New Haven (later part of Connecticut) and then Norwich, CT.<ref>Their youngest child, Mehitable, was recorded born 4 Jul 1655 at Marshfield It is possible they were visiting family back there when this child was born.</ref> Nehemiah and Elizabeth had nine children: Elizabeth (c1640), Sarah (c1641), Mary (c1643), Hannah (c1644), Mercy (bp 1645/6), Nehemiah (bp 1646), Lydia (c1647), Ann and Mehitable (1655).<ref>Given the fact many of the children appeared to be born in one year intervals, it is likely the family had a "wet nurse" as breastfeeding children typically doubles as a form of birth control (which is why it is much more typical to see children born every other year).</ref>
+Ann Bourne<ref>See [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bourne-387 Wikitree Profile for Ann Bourne] for speculation about her name being "Sarah Ann".</ref> was born circa 1617<ref>Estimate based on married 1639/40, two years after her sister, Elizabeth. She may have been the "Anna Burne" daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Fisher) Burne [(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKGW-YM9 baptized] Sep 1614 St. Alkmund's Derby.</ref> and died likely at Norwich, CT aft 12 Jan 1684. She married Plymouth 21 Jan 1639/40 Nehemiah Smith The family later moved to New Haven (later part of Connecticut) and then Norwich, CT.<ref>Their youngest child, Mehitable, was recorded born 4 Jul 1655 at Marshfield It is possible they were visiting family back there when this child was born.</ref> Nehemiah and Elizabeth had nine children: Elizabeth (c1640), Sarah (c1641), Mary (c1643), Hannah (c1644), Mercy (bp 1645/6), Nehemiah (bp 1646), Lydia (c1647), Ann and Mehitable (1655).<ref>Given the fact many of the children appeared to be born in one year intervals, it is likely the family had a "wet nurse" as breastfeeding children typically doubles as a form of birth control (which is why it is much more typical to see children born every other year).</ref>
-Martha Bourne was born about 1619<ref>Estimate, based on first husband born 1617.</ref> and died Norwich, CT between 20 Feb 1679/80 and 1683. She married twice, first before 1650 [[Bradford (Y-DNA)#First Generation |John Bradford]] and second, Norwich about 1679 Thomas Tracy. It appears Martha did not have any children by either of her husbands.
+Martha Bourne was born about 1619<ref>Estimate, based on first husband born 1617. She may have been the Martha "Burnds", daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Fisher) Burne [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWMW-DJK baptied] 27 Feb 1630[/1] St. Alkmund's, Derby.</ref> and died Norwich, CT between 20 Feb 1679/80 and 1683. She married twice, first before 1650 [[Bradford (Y-DNA)#First Generation |John Bradford]] and second, Norwich about 1679 Thomas Tracy. It appears Martha did not have any children by either of her husbands.
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